They were not one of the most popular bands of 70’s punk,
but they shared stages and friendship with Stiv Bators and many
other punkheads. Their career was limited to just one album, but
ended as a cult object for fans of real punk rock. Now, twenty-two
years after, they have loaded their batteries again and have recorded
a second album – and it’s a real blast! We will have
them soon in Europe celebrating this release onstage, try not
to miss it!!
-You're back with a second album 22 years alter the first
one... isn't that a little bit of a delay?
ROD: Yeah I suppose it's unusual for a band to do it's second
album after 22 years. But we are a phenomena. We're gonna do things
that people just don't expect. We're not just a reunion thing
either, we are writing and performing new songs. You're just going
to have to adjust your mindset if you think a rock and roll spirit
cannot inhabit a body after it reaches a certain age. That's not
true. We're living proof. We're better than most of those bands
out there that weren't even born when we did our first gig.
BUZZ: on the one hand it doesn't seem like any time has past at
all...but then you hear our cd and you know that the the time
away doesn't matter, good rock and roll is just good rock and
roll.
-Talkin' seriously now, why this comeback after these
lot of years?
R: That's an odd question. To me that implies you know why bands
do it in the first place. Why do the Briefs or Turbonegro want
to do one more gig? Why do you want to go see one more gig? Why
buy one more record. Who the fuck knows? But that's what we'd
rather be doing right now. And at great expense I might add. So,
I guess it's just a passion we have. It sure as fuck doesn't make
any less sense now that it did 20 years ago. You only think it
does. It's all an illusion. 99% of bands suck and break up after
a
while. We're lifers. Get used to it.
-What do you think that your old fans will think about
this new record?
R: Well, most of our old fans are like everyone else, they are
skeptical as to whether we can pull off something new that's anywhere
near as good as they remember. They come to the shows and buy
the records and are pleasantly shocked. We're better than they
remembered and the new album fits right alongside the rest of
our stuff. I'm telling you we don't care what you think, we're
doing it for real.
B: I think the old fans start out in disbelief when they see our
name out there again, but then after they hear the new cd they
can't believe we're back, but better than ever!Then they get that
great big smile on their faces when they know we haven't let them
down and we are still kicking ass!
-Obviously you're now more experiencied than 20 years
before, which things you did in the past you would change? Any
regret?
R: I wish I hadn't gotten rid of any of my guitars. I wish I had
every one back again. I had a Jazzmaster, 52 Tele, Reverse Firebird,
Ibanez Les Paul Junior and Modern. Oh well.
B: Well I kept all of my old gear so I have a closet full of old
guitars and amps, so no regrets there...I guess I am at peace
with any mistakes I made in the past...it's all about moving forward
now anyway so I don't have time to worry about something that
happened years ago...
-Which of these things you have learn in your life you
applied in this new period of the band?
R: As far as the band is concerned. We don't give a fuck about
what anybody thinks about us. We are doing what WE want to do.
It's working well. We are way further along than we expected to
be. We have a a world tour going on, a new record that we are
proud of, our first music video is killer, we have been included
on the Tony Hawk Underground Soundtrack which millions of kids
will buy so it's just like a hit record. All this and more little
girl...
B: Right again Rod! it's all good because now we do what WE want
and go where WE want..and the sound is better for it. I don't
have to worry about some agent or lawyer or record co. telling
me how our songs should go.
-Mates as Bators and Dee Dee are dead, but people as
the Dictators are still fighting for R&R. When you were starting,
did you think about your future, about the risk of using drugs
and all that stuff?
R: Absolutely. When I was 15, I sat with my guidance counselor
and we discussed my career options. We made a list of the pros
and cons of being a rock and roller. Let's see, loose your hearing,
ruin your liver, venereal disease, die penniless, look like an
idiot, have people constantly lie to you or tell you you suck,
live like a homeless vagrant. Then we discussed the cons...
B: I couldn't wait to be a musician...what a bonus that all that
other stuff comes along with it! The first thing you have to learn
though, is survival...you can't be much of a rock star if you're
dead, so some of it doesn't really fit into a long range plan...be
very careful out there kids...
-I think record industry has changed a lot since the
seventies, do you agree? What do you think about these changes?
R: Well, it's mostly the same. Because it sucked then and it sucks
now. I only thank God for labels like Munster, Smog Veil and Gearhead.
They are run by dudes who risk all their money so we can see a
couple of good bands now and then. They only do it out of love.
I know them, and believe me it's true. I like the fact that girls
are getting more action these days. I love the Donnas. I think
bands that sign with a major should think it through. It's risky.
Your career is usually over after that. Some bands breakout but
most
don't. You're really better off staying in the underground for
as long as you can stand it. You won't become a zillionaire but
you won't end up like Green Day either. Bands like Supersuckers
have a good little thing going. They pack em in wherever they
go and really don't need anymore money than that to keep going.
Major labels are only playing the lottery. If you only sell say
50.000 records you're a big loser. But fuck. if I sold 20,000
records for Munster we'd all be celebrating, mightily.
B: The major labels don't like rock and roll records too much
these days do they? but then again they never did...I don't think
it's wise to jump to a major unless you're ready to have someone
else present you in way you might not like. Then after they are
done you may be stuck with an image that really isn't what you're
all about. Of course you can always take 20 years off and then
put out a new cd... it's called the Rebels 20 year plan... a sure-fire
method for success...works every time!!
-In the nineties we had a punk comeback. what did you
think about those bands? I think most of them were no real punk?
R: Turbonegro is like my favorite band. I think Apocalypse Dudes
is the best rock record ever made. Is it punk? Who cares. I like
the Donnas too. Green Day, Offspring, it's not bad. It's not their
fault they got to be so big. Don't blame them. The bubble gum
punk of Good Charlotte and the like is kind of weak but you always
have that kind of stuff for the teeny bops. Do I see a Rolling
Stones or a Sex Pistols in there somewhere, no sorry, can't see
it. Punk is about shaking up the establishment. So none of these
bands are doing that, except for Trbngr. The rest haven't figured
out how. It's all been done hasn't it? The real good thing about
it was that it turned some kids on to old school
bands like Iggy, MC5, Dolls, Ramones, and Dead Boys. That makes
it all worth it. The Dead Boys and Ramones are more popular now
that they ever were.
-Anyway, what's punk for you?
R: I really don't like for people to have to know if something
is punk or not. It's a religious question that shouldn't be asked.
Do you like it? Then go ahead. Don't let some asshole somewhere
make you ask for permission to be entertained. Pure fashion is
something different, not rock and roll. I remember when we first
arrived in LA, most of those punks thought The Dead Boys sucked
and they hated us for not being punk enough. We were too glam
and metal for them. That's how you get Black Flag and Agent Orange
etc.
B: I really don't pay attention to what genre a band is, I like
what I like and that's punk enough for me..
-Why did you record covers of Status Quo and Music Machine?
R: When the whole punk thing happened in the mid seventies, it
was a reaction to disco and corporate, overproduced metal like
Boston and Journey. They had taken all the guts, all the nastiness,
out of it and turned it into easy listening with distortion. The
New York scene was producing bands like the Heartbreakers and
The Ramones. The Ramones stripped away all the crap and what was
left was pure. People started checking out Rockabilly, and Garage
Rock because that's where they found what the popular bands of
the 70's had lost. That's why we do covers like "Talk Talk".
There is a spirit in some of these classic songs and sometimes
you can translate it to a more modern sound and let the audience
discover it. Buzz and I saw Status Quo on their US tour in '72.
We saw them in a small club in Akron. No one came except Buzz
and I. That show really affected us. We saw a band that was like
the Ramones, stripping away all the pretensions and just hammering
their guitars with some stoopid rock and roll. It was definitely
punk. Paper Plane is a great song because it strives to be simple
to the point of being stoopid. We worship at the shrine of stoopid
rock. I think that song kicks ass. Especially the way we play
it.
B: What could be better than LOUD FAST & STOOPID???
-And how was born the tribute to Stiv?
R: We have always liked to play friends songs in our set just
for the fuck of it. We played Mongoloid (Devo) too. We're just
into learning other bands songs. When we started playing Sonic
Reducer it wasn't the overdone standard it is today. So we decided
to quit playing it because folks might misunderstand. Instead
we wrote a song about Stiv. It's kinda funny and has a Dead Boys
feel to it.
B: We just started working on a song and it kinda wrote itself,
hey when you're dead we might write a song for you too...
-How was your relationship with him?
R: Stiv and Cheetah were always nothing but cool to us. They took
us to New York and we played CBGBs in '77 for 3 nights in a row.
They put us up in their digs and showed us around New York. We
actually WERE the Deadboys once. Stiv and Cheetah showed up in
LA, no amps, no band, no nothing. They asked the Rebels to back
them up for a
couple of Dead Boys gigs in LA. We rehearsed a couple of times
and then we played the Whiskey and some other places. We did Dead
Boys and Rebels songs and some covers we both knew like Personality
Crisis and God Save the Queen. I wish I had the tape of Stiv,
Cheetah and me singing Childeaters.
B: Stiv was a great guy and lots of fun to hang out with, his
music was cool and he knew what real rock and roll was.
-Is it true than he was who gave the name to your band?
R: That's true. I think it was New Years '77 with Devo, Dead Boys
and us at the Crypt. We had a song called "Rubber City Rebels".
After our set Stiv and Cheetah suggested we change our name to
that. So we did. I think that was the same night that Cheetah
pulled down Mark Mothersbaugh's (Devo) pants and a fight broke
out between Devo and the Dead Boys.
-What do you expect from the upcoming Spanish tour?
R: We toured Northern Europe earlier this year, but we have never
been to Spain before, but the Dictators told us we would love
it and Spain would love us too. We have some awesome gigs lined
up and I think we're even gonna be on National TV. So now it’s
up to you guys. I think we are even playing a gig with The Darkness.
Ok, whatever.
B: Hey, we come to play... like I said before LOUD, FAST, &
STOOPID... it
should be fun, and thats what it's all about... right?
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